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Love Ruby, Hate Rails, but still use it — or Ruby vs PHP

Okay, that title was a bit extreme, I don’t really hate Rails. I don’t get why people feel the need to be so completely polarized about a framework, or a language. It’s either the best thing since sliced bread, or the worst, and nowhere in between. Still, most developers who aren’t Ruby purists, can tend to have a love hate relationship with Rails. Rails is easy to develop with, full stop. It’s practically impossible for you not to push out an app in AT LEAST 1/4 of the time it would take in straight up PHP. The problem is, PHP and Rails are apples and oranges, they aren’t the same thing, Rails is a framework built with the Ruby language, PHP is just a language. If you want a comparison, try CakePHP and Rails.

Saying that Rails isn’t as fast as PHP is kind of mind boggling. Rails is slow, and so is ruby, and it will never be as fast as PHP or faster, period. Unless PHP becomes abandoned, which doesn’t seem likely. PHP is 100% geared towards a Server Side Scripting language, from the ground up, it’s written directly into the PHP parser to handle HTML with embedded PHP tags. Ruby is a general purpose scripting language with addon modules for parsing ruby code in HTML, like ERB. Regardless of this, you’d barely notice how much slower it is in reality because at this point, it’s very much a matter of hundredths of a second difference (probably). That barely even matters in large scale apps, because the gains in ease and speed of development pay for the slight slowdown during high traffic or the need to have more servers or better hardware and so on. Bandwidth, storage, and processor cycles are wastable resources, you waste them and get man hours back, man hours cost more than bandwidth hours, so it’s simple math.

Developing with Ruby and Rails means you can pretty much halve your dev team on any project. Unless there’s only one developer, then halving that person is a federal crime that can pull the death penalty.

No one seems to point out why Rails is actually bad, they always try to attack Ruby, which is like calling a Hot Chick ugly just because you can’t get laid with her.

Here is a list of reasons why Rails has trouble being adopted, and will continue to have problems. Also known as the Why Facebook don’t use it list.

  1. The community: The Rails community is, to be honest, a bit mean and snobbish. They consider themselves a bit more l33t than they really are. I respect any person who sits at a keyboard and ships code. The rails community doesn’t really seem to be peopled by battle hardened developers. Web Development is a bit like war, we are all in the trenches, all on the firing line, as long as you are pulling the trigger and hit most of the targets you shoot at, you’re gold in my book.Many, but not all, Rails developers seem to take a bit too much delight in pissing on any alternate view of programming, they’ll be more than happy to tell you which Rules and Paradigm Standards you are violating, and why you are stupid for doing so. One of the main criteria for a narcissist is: Do you find yourself unable to explain things that are obvious to you to others? If so, then you might be a self absorbed narcissist.
  2. Rails Breaks Everything, Alot:The Rails team are very inconsiderate. It seems like they aren’t working on multiple large scale production projects that can’t just be pulled off the line to be completely refactored because they gutted the framework with absolutely no eye to backwards compatibility. This is, to be honest, the #1 reason Rails will never be a serious competitor in corporations, to the bane of many developers working for the man and forced to use Java or PHP for webapps.You can almost say that the Rails motto is: “Rails, yeah, because fuck backwards compatibility.” I have 3 production apps that are hopelessly outdated because the client won’t pay for the work needed to update them to the latest Rails. I have other production apps that have been going for 5 years without an update, and don’t need one, because they are in pure PHP. Many PHP language updates later and they are still cranking. Can you say that about a Rails app you made?PHP has had a : “Try not to break it” mentality from the beginning. If someone chooses your framework or language, they depend on you being a good citizen in the development world, and Ruby and Rails are not dependable citizens, they are flippant and flighty, and will change everything just to implement the newest and sexiest feature or programming idea.Rails claims to adhere to DRY, Don’t Repeat Yourself, but with every update, you’ll be back to the app refactoring (repeating) your code to fix all the bugs and deprecations/deletions they introduced. So while the initial development cost is small, the long term maintenance of a Rails app is much higher than a pure PHP application. In PHP you have to write alot, but once you’ve written it, you probably won’t need to touch it for a decade.For a group of people who think they “know best” they sure make a lot of changes. You’d almost think they are admitting they were wrong, not a chance.
  3. Meta-programming is Arcane: Rails is ALOT of metaprogramming. And no, I don’t claim to fully understand everything that is going on under the hood. If you have ever worked in a real production and corporate environment, you know you get all kinds of programmers with all kinds of levels of understanding. Keeping it simple so even the dumbest of us can grok the code is essential. Esoteric programming is irresponsible and inconsiderate to programmers who aren’t as “smart” as you. While I personally love elegant metaprogramming solutions, I know that very often, I can go too far, so when I am working with a team, I try to make sure that my code is written for the lowest common denominator of programming understanding.This isn’t entirely Rails fault though, and to be honest, if you are going to use a framework, you should spend at least a week reading the source code. Each release of Rails seems to get farther and farther away from reality in too many ways.
  4. RVM: RVM is a blessing to anyone using rails, or doing general ruby programming, but it shouldn’t be necessary. Rails is precarious at best in deployment and development, the slightest change means tons of obscure messages pouring out on the console before it unceremoniously exits. Managing all of those Ruby and Gem dependencies is a nightmare, in fact there are several tools like Bundle and RVM to help you out. But should it even exist. There is nothing remotely like this in developing in say pure PHP. Having to maintain software over the long term is a truth that programmers deal with daily, and Rails really only makes that harder in the end.
  5. ERB vs. HAML: Both actually suck. HAML is like the unwanted love child of CSS and Python. It sounds so good on paper, but in practice it’s just as confusing. Anyone who’s tried to edit a complex Python script knows what I mean.ERB is just as mysterious: read confusing, and ERB internals are a scary scary place. As long as you don’t deviate from the normal usage, you’re fine, but if you want to try anything fun, don’t, you’ll get some weird behavior. Such weird behavior is actually talked about in the comments of Rails with the various output_buffer finagling.What makes it worse is that Rails itself is about as Arcane. Their fanatical adherence to various programming standards means reading across several modules to track down what code does what, and even then it’s still bloody mysterious. I ran into this problem the other day while trying to track down exactly what Rails is doing when it caches partials, not the theory, the actual programming, after about an hour I just gave up.
  6. If you deviate from the norm, Rails is not you friend, Rails doesn’t want to talk to you, in fact it hates you and wants you to die and it doesn’t care if you are its baby daddy.You will get NO support from the Rails community, saying that you have a different idea on how something should be done, and have the willingness to implement yourself will be met only with scorn, disapproval and a miniature inquisition about why you’d want to do that.In some ways, Rails is a bit like that really sensitive and clingy girlfriend who’s totally sexy, but flies off the handle when you offhandedly suggest some area for improvement, or disagree with her about the words to her favorite song, or whether or not her cat can understand her…
  7. Scaffolding: It’s actually more important than you think! Considering that almost 90% of what is cool in Rails is there because it’s a part of Ruby, you’d think they would have a much easier code generation scheme that is absolutely dead simple to override and extend. I remember when I first watched DHH’s famous Blog screencast where, even though he says that Rails isn’t the scaffolding, and that it’s only a small part, it was essentially the scaffolding that sold people on it.Rails is opinionated development, okay, cool, rock on, that’s fine. But when it comes to view code, Rails doesn’t really have much of an opinion, and the one it does have is cumbersome, ugly and time consuming to deal with.  There is a right and a wrong way to handle views and templates, and forgetting for a moment that Rails, like all frameworks, is centered around destructive server side templates (There still isn’t a better way), the least it could do is provide some nice, DIV/SPAN based templates with an obvious and well defined class structure. Oh, and since we are on it, just make SASS the default.
  8. Whiny Nil:There is a bit of a debate as to whether or not this should even be there. It’s really annoying. One of the best things about PHP is the “If it’s null, weird things will happen, but it still runs.” Some people consider that an issue, but most of us consider it a feature.  It means that your entire site won’t be brought down by a single mistake and spurt out some error to a client.Why is this important?Great question. Let’s say you have a table of some objects and one of them has a price field. By some weird coincidence that you didn’t catch before you shipped your product, that price field isn’t zero in the db, it got set to NULL, and then Rails set it to Nil, and in your code you try to multiply Nil by say a quantity:  total = object.price * object.quantity, 999 times out of a 1000, it does it right. But that 1 time when price nil? will bring your site to a screeching halt, or at least a main page. This is something good in development, it lets you find bugs, but in production its absolutely unacceptable. Only critical/fatal errors should bring a site down. Ruby kind of prides itself that nil != 0, that’s fine and dandy when we are talking about abstract concepts.

    When we are talking about a price field, nil, which was NULL === 0 and should behave as such.

    In the end, this all comes down to a bit of a philosophical conflict, my philosophy about systems is very simple: Only fail when you absolutely must, if you can regain sanity in the application, do so.  If some called a Fixnum method on a nil, they probably thought the nil was a Fixnum, or Float and just don’t know, quietly and secretly notify the developer and just pretend nil is 0. Is that so hard?

    During an abstract discussion, throwing an error on nil is, simply put, a very good idea, it helps to keep developers attentive. All things being equal, it’s a good thing. But all things aren’t equal, and what makes a framework worth using is not so much that prevents you from being an idiot, but sometimes rescues you from being an idiot.

    It is however trivial to override this error. The offender is activesupport/lib/active_support/whiny_nil.rb, just copy that code into an initializer, changing the top line to be: NilClass.class_eval do, and then add something like this to method_missing:

    if 1.respond_to? method and args.first.class == Fixnum then
      return 0
    if ' '.respond_to? method and args.first.class == String then
      return 'NilString'
  9. MySQL: Rails just doesn’t play as well with mysql as it could or should, anyone who works on internationalized apps knows that they are a byatch in any programming language, the problem is, when Ruby get’s it wrong, man is it complicated to make it work. We recently had a problem with encodings, data from the MySQL DB was being returned as ASCII-8BIT and practically none of the fixes seemed to work, encode! and force_encoding didn’t help. The problem was, the data in the db was stored as UTF-8, and using PHP we verified that the data was in fact being returned to PHP correctly. The problem was the mysql2 gem. The only mysql acsii-8bit to utf8 solution that did work in the end, though it is ugly and has some obvious gotchas is this:

    # Patching MySQL:
    require 'mysql'
    class Mysql::Result
      def encode(value, encoding = "utf-8")
        String === value ? value.force_encoding(encoding) : value
      def each_utf8(&block)
        each_orig do |row|
          yield {|col| encode(col) }
      alias each_orig each
      alias each each_utf8
      def each_hash_utf8(&block)
        each_hash_orig do |row|
          row.each {|k, v| row[k] = encode(v) }
      alias each_hash_orig each_hash
      alias each_hash each_hash_utf8
    # Patching ActionController:
    module ActionController
      class Request
        def normalize_parameters_with_force_encoding(value)
          (_value = normalize_parameters_without_force_encoding(value)).respond_to?(:force_encoding) ? 
             _value.force_encoding(Encoding::UTF_8) : _value
        alias_method_chain :normalize_parameters, :force_encoding
  • Top 9 and today i understand Developing with Ruby and Rails means you can pretty much halve your dev team on any project. Unless there’s only one developer, then halving that person is a federal crime that can pull the death penalty.

  • tommeeatomik

    I have to completely disagree with much of what is written in this article & the guy who wrote the last comment is obviously deluded. Just because rails has sensible defaults & conventions does not mean to have to use them. the statement about being forced into sqllite & sql is also utter rubbish. Winston, if you were intelligent enough to understand Rails database migrations, it would become apparent that slight changes can be made with a custom file. I have used ASP.NET, PHP & JSP – Rails is the way forward & all of you cave man developers better get with the program or start losing work in the next few years. This article is almost 90% misinformation & the author is obviously a PHP developer who does not like change.

    • Anonymous


      Thanks for you comment! I agree with some of what you say as this article is 1) mostly my opinion, and 2) is mostly out of date. Though I think your language is a bit strong, you seem very identified with Rails in general, referring to one commenter as deluded, and then calling into question Winston’s intelligence, i.e. calling him an idiot. I don’t know him personally, so I can’t really attest to this.

      You also seem to use “the author is obviously a PHP developer” as some kind of insult, which I don’t really understand. I have developed in PHP, but not so much any more. Whenever I talk to a rubyist, they seem to do that a lot, as if being a PHP developer is something akin to drug abuse, or pederasty.

      The fact that I have negative opinions about Rails and even Ruby (I’ve actually read the source code and it’s insane) doesn’t mean that I don’t recognize their value, or the things which are good about them. Nothing is ever perfect, and you seem to be putting forward and all or nothing kind of opinion, one that is not necessarily shared by us “caveman” PHP developers who need to “get with the program.”

      I don’t really know you, or what you’re about, and it is a rather meaningless discussion on some blog, but you seem to be really worked up about all this and I don’t think it’s very healthy, or constructive to be so deeply identified with a tool you use to make software. I mean, you aren’t Rails, and criticisms of Rails aren’t criticisms of you as a person.

      I would like to write a follow up to this post, some of my opinions have changed, some have gotten worse, I still don’t think that Rails is the cat’s pajamas, and I do find that it has some serious flaws. At the same time, I think that I appreciate some of the things it does well much more than I did at the time of writing.

      In the end, I don’t think that Rails is the way, I do think that something new is around the bend, built off of the ideas developed by Rails and other frameworks, possibly something in NodeJS, or something even newer, who knows.

      In the final analysis, I am often struck with the almost violent and condescending tone used by many so called Ruby and Rails evangelists, a kind of totalitarian fascist rhetoric, getting with the program, joining the party, I am just waiting for a Rails enthusiast to start suggesting mass PHP and .Net developer purges, and book burnings of Sam’s Teach Yourself PHP in 24 Hours.

      • instantaphex

        “I am just waiting for a Rails enthusiast to start suggesting mass PHP and .Net developer purges, and book burnings of Sam’s Teach Yourself PHP in 24 Hours.”

        This was hilarious.

  • I agree with you. Rails is built on the assumption that the programmer is a doofus who couldn’t write coherent code on his or her own. Because it abstracts everything, you lose a lot of power that a skilled programmer could build because you are forced to do everything the “rails” way. This is especially true when it comes to SQL statements… a simple database change that would be an easy tweak of a few lines requires you to do all this rigamarole with migrations. I also hate how you are pretty much forced to use SQL Lite for development.

  • I would like to state that I have had to have Rails force fed to me because my company has a lot of clients whose apps are Rails apps acquired from another company. That having been said, I would just like to go on-the-record as saying that the Rails framework has got to be the most ludicrous syntax of anything I have EVER encountered as a programmer. The syntax reads like a Finnish dictionary. Amputating my arm with a piece of paper would be easier than trying to debug that totally lame ass syntax. All in all, Rails makes me want to slap the everliving sh*t out of the moron that created it. I can’t believe that people actually find this framework to be anything even remotely “developer friendly”. Rails, in and of itself, is an egocentric framework that assumes you don’t need to know wtf it’s doing behind the scenes. Frankly, when I’m debugging those totally useless error messages in the logs, knowing what’s going on behind the scenes would sure be a freaking major help. F**K RAILS! What a piece of SH*T framework!

  • I am new to Ruby on Rails. This article is very nice but it confuses me.

  • Anonymous

    I really need to expand this article a bit more, and remove some of the “Purely my opinion stuff”, also, it’s a bit more slanted against Rails than is fair. I recognize that.

  • Denis

    So true… New to ruby, but I wish there was a decent framework on it. Say, Syomfony2-like. Rails is not it. Absolutely not, even.

    • Anonymous

      Rails has some issues, least of which: Ruby was never meant to be a web language. ERB is cumbersome, HAML only works if you have dead simple views, the minute things get complex, you have some issues, which is always the case on big projects.

      What I really like right now is node.js, it looks very very promising, as well as Express.js two projects you should checkout, I’ll be looking at them soon and seeing how they work out.

      Right now I have a major project in Ruby on Rails that deploys to desktops and runs as a software as service, there are some things I love about Rails but when I think about them, Rails gets them for free by virtue of being on Ruby, without Ruby, Rails would be just a flash in the pan, and it looks to me like it is already showing itself to be, they are at Rails three and Deployment and Scaling are still as hard as they were in 2.0 and before.

      When you boil Rails down it’s basically a glorified organizer for code. It’s a series of conventions encapsulating a bunch of 3rd party plugins. Almost everything that rails core does needs to be rewritten, or a 3rd party plugin installed to do better/faster.

  • Todays Rails not get good rank in programming but i think in future it will get good success for its best works.

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